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so here today I'm here with a shout Hank

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who has recently done the IELTS tests

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and very very well gonna say hello -

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hello hi how are you doing

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very good very good fantastic well

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listen congratulations on your test

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results which you just got through the

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other day right fantastic

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so how are you feeling at the moment

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well I'm really excited because in real

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life like ours was a huge like challenge

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in my life but um now I've gone through

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it and a new chapter of my life just

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opened up yeah and then I can stand I

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can start to plan about my future yeah

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it's really really like relaxed after a

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long time sure so listen tell us a

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little bit about yourself first of all

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where you're from and what you do and

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why you studied for IELTS okay so my

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home city is Beijing and I come from

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China currently I'm a student studying

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in the University of Melbourne Australia

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the reason why and I'm doing house is

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because well I did my bachelor degree on

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social work and to get my skill

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assessments passed I will need to

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provide my English results which means

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else and by having that I can apply for

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the permanent residency at Australia and

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to have a better job in future yeah

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right okay so it's residency kind of

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immigration and career as well

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let's let's go back a little bit to when

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you started preparing for IELTS because

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I'm sure people would be interested to

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know how you prepare it to get the

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results that you got by the way what

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result did you get in else I forgot to

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ask well I got for speaking an ounce is

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8 I mean that's like I got it um you

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know later may yeah okay great

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so let's go back when you're talking

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about the preparation so how did you

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prepare and get ready for IELTS well I

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thought the beginning I was quite lost I

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would say because I thought um like you

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know like I believe that many people

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think that as long as they finish all

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the you know the questions online like

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the prepare with other powerful authors

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then they can know it it doesn't work

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for me yeah I'm not sure about the other

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people it doesn't work for me and I you

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know the feeling awful nervous that's

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probably I forgot one question that I

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never prepared or something like that

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like it was like I I try to remember

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answers at the beginning right later I

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started to try to find a teacher and

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then I remember you told me that you

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tried to listen to some podcast yeah

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that yeah and like you to listen to

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different podcast programs when I

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pitched hours or surrounding yourself

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with in golf it's interesting the bit

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about memorizing so memorizing doesn't

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always work for people so you change

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your approach a little bit can you talk

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about that a little bit I mean it's not

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that careful questions you know what I

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mean like I think this difference

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between remember officers and prepare

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authors that's totally different like

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will you try to remember something it

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means you write it down you try to

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memorize this you try to remember our

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words and if the examiner like said

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suddenly interrupt you or like they

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leave you to another direction you got

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lost you prepare for answers means like

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okay I have some like you're raising

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money in my mind I thought about this

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question up so when I'm asked I can give

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an answer that's different yeah that's

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interesting I totally agree in that

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there's something I work a lot on is

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about the I think the idea that

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preparation is is very important but

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it's about building the skill of

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flexibility and the ability to respond

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rather than just memorizing and reciting

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your answers which doesn't always work

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in IELTS in fact it often fails quite

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badly anions

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but that flexibility is key right and

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personally I still remember that do you

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remember their like during almost first

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there were face-to-face classes all

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right I remember my homework was to just

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to prepare one opportu question I record

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it but that record is why you refer as I

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prepare for that right probably I read

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something down at the beginning but at

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the end I just provide about two minutes

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answer which means I have those things

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in my mind and finally at prison

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yeah and it's not like you write

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something down you let your really--it

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or something yeah yeah I think is

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important

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absolutely yeah and so you talked about

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podcasts which is something we you know

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students can do to listen and get

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surrounded by language of maybe ideas

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what else did you do to get

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ready for your speaking and to practice

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your speaking I think it was important

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for me was like I try to relax I have a

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good mood and to watch different videos

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on YouTube like not only just to focus

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I always preparation like that kind of

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information also I listened to some

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YouTube channels i baby talk about

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english in the working environment or

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some TV dramas that i am interested in

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right just listen to English and you

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like I feel this I started to be

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interested in this language I have the

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motivation to learn it and and we use it

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yeah fantastic

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and what for you was the biggest

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challenge throughout your preparation

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time for IELTS challenge was speaking up

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only asking about speaking or just

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report lazy generally it's about

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confident confidence yeah I would say

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because I'll have to be more modest or

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something like I think I am a good

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student actually like I work hard on my

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academic study but if you kept failing

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at lengthy you study to judge yourself

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sometimes I am whether I'm not good

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enough or whether I'm stupid or

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something like that yeah be careful with

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that

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yeah the voice isn't your head right

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yeah yeah because um well I took hours

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for five times this year right times

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this year in total and I kept getting

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6.5

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all right me and you Celestia fun I got7

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like finally I pass it but was supported

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me along the way it was um I feel okay

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there was something wrong but I need to

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find a problem I'm not the problem the

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problem is the problem and I need to

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figure it out what it is and to get it

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right like it better is about grandma is

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there is about Cavallari is about

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cohesion was that find it out practice

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yeah wow I love that I love that the

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problem is the problem that is so

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important because the problem is not you

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not something you can't change it's just

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there something you can approach and

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change and handle that's great I like

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that can I borrow that quote the problem

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is the problem that's great it's nice

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and so if again I'm thinking for

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students who are studying IELTS and

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listening if you could go back in time

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is there anything you would do

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differently or any kind of top tips you

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would give to students now generally and

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for speaking okay generally Alvarez is

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that like focus on the exam but not um

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like judging yourself not pushing

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himself too hard and like we viewed up

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for skiers generally hey yeah we don't

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throw money one day right so it's a

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process and I feel like Alice is like

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saying that it's just a part of our life

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and like we just need the sport to go

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where we want to go but without it our

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life is feel meaningful yes yes hey else

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is not the end of the world right right

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yeah and though speaking is I um I think

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try to speak more because he uses

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language more I yeah

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and do yourself like be myself when else

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are in questions don't pretend to be

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someone else and yeah yeah helps I I

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remember when we in the class and we

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were practicing that when you were

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speaking at times kind of giving almost

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memorized answers and ideas and then

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sometimes you shifted and just relaxed

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and became yourself the change was huge

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you remember we're trying to capture

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that feeling and take that into the exam

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of just being you and just relaxing into

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into your into your English if you like

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yeah very nice brilliant so listen what

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what are the next steps for you now now

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that you've got your your band seven I

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will get my co sized lunge and then I

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applied for PR and at the same time I

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have to prepare my resume to find a

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full-time job I guess yeah fantastic

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well that's absolutely brilliant so Hank

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thank you very much for coming in and

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talking to us again it's been an

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absolute pleasure and it's been great to

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hear your success through your

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challenges and how you've coped with

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those I'm sure it's really helpful for

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other people to keep motivated as they

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study thank you

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not all thank you very much we'll stay

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in touch and I will see you soon

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