WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:01.210 --> 00:00:03.980 [Music] 2 00:00:03.980 --> 00:00:07.470 so here today I'm here with a shout Hank 3 00:00:07.470 --> 00:00:09.800 who has recently done the IELTS tests 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:14.269 and very very well gonna say hello - 5 00:00:14.269 --> 00:00:19.190 hello hi how are you doing 6 00:00:20.329 --> 00:00:23.699 very good very good fantastic well 7 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:25.890 listen congratulations on your test 8 00:00:25.890 --> 00:00:27.510 results which you just got through the 9 00:00:27.510 --> 00:00:32.009 other day right fantastic 10 00:00:32.009 --> 00:00:36.050 so how are you feeling at the moment 11 00:00:36.050 --> 00:00:40.979 well I'm really excited because in real 12 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:46.710 life like ours was a huge like challenge 13 00:00:46.710 --> 00:00:52.440 in my life but um now I've gone through 14 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:55.649 it and a new chapter of my life just 15 00:00:55.649 --> 00:00:58.500 opened up yeah and then I can stand I 16 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:01.859 can start to plan about my future yeah 17 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:07.049 it's really really like relaxed after a 18 00:01:07.049 --> 00:01:11.400 long time sure so listen tell us a 19 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.380 little bit about yourself first of all 20 00:01:13.380 --> 00:01:15.420 where you're from and what you do and 21 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:20.819 why you studied for IELTS okay so my 22 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:23.700 home city is Beijing and I come from 23 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:27.720 China currently I'm a student studying 24 00:01:27.720 --> 00:01:30.619 in the University of Melbourne Australia 25 00:01:30.619 --> 00:01:35.040 the reason why and I'm doing house is 26 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:39.119 because well I did my bachelor degree on 27 00:01:39.119 --> 00:01:41.400 social work and to get my skill 28 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.310 assessments passed I will need to 29 00:01:44.310 --> 00:01:46.979 provide my English results which means 30 00:01:46.979 --> 00:01:51.360 else and by having that I can apply for 31 00:01:51.360 --> 00:01:54.060 the permanent residency at Australia and 32 00:01:54.060 --> 00:01:56.640 to have a better job in future yeah 33 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.570 right okay so it's residency kind of 34 00:02:00.570 --> 00:02:04.700 immigration and career as well 35 00:02:05.790 --> 00:02:08.340 let's let's go back a little bit to when 36 00:02:08.340 --> 00:02:10.169 you started preparing for IELTS because 37 00:02:10.169 --> 00:02:12.240 I'm sure people would be interested to 38 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.900 know how you prepare it to get the 39 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:17.940 results that you got by the way what 40 00:02:17.940 --> 00:02:20.310 result did you get in else I forgot to 41 00:02:20.310 --> 00:02:25.590 ask well I got for speaking an ounce is 42 00:02:25.590 --> 00:02:31.020 8 I mean that's like I got it um you 43 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:35.430 know later may yeah okay great 44 00:02:35.430 --> 00:02:38.250 so let's go back when you're talking 45 00:02:38.250 --> 00:02:40.919 about the preparation so how did you 46 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.690 prepare and get ready for IELTS well I 47 00:02:45.690 --> 00:02:51.840 thought the beginning I was quite lost I 48 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.650 would say because I thought um like you 49 00:02:55.650 --> 00:02:57.980 know like I believe that many people 50 00:02:57.980 --> 00:03:02.010 think that as long as they finish all 51 00:03:02.010 --> 00:03:05.190 the you know the questions online like 52 00:03:05.190 --> 00:03:07.440 the prepare with other powerful authors 53 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:10.380 then they can know it it doesn't work 54 00:03:10.380 --> 00:03:12.780 for me yeah I'm not sure about the other 55 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:16.230 people it doesn't work for me and I you 56 00:03:16.230 --> 00:03:17.940 know the feeling awful nervous that's 57 00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:20.220 probably I forgot one question that I 58 00:03:20.220 --> 00:03:22.919 never prepared or something like that 59 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.450 like it was like I I try to remember 60 00:03:27.450 --> 00:03:32.780 answers at the beginning right later I 61 00:03:32.780 --> 00:03:36.930 started to try to find a teacher and 62 00:03:36.930 --> 00:03:42.989 then I remember you told me that you 63 00:03:42.989 --> 00:03:45.410 tried to listen to some podcast yeah 64 00:03:45.410 --> 00:03:48.570 that yeah and like you to listen to 65 00:03:48.570 --> 00:03:52.050 different podcast programs when I 66 00:03:52.050 --> 00:03:57.000 pitched hours or surrounding yourself 67 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:02.970 with in golf it's interesting the bit 68 00:04:02.970 --> 00:04:07.019 about memorizing so memorizing doesn't 69 00:04:07.019 --> 00:04:09.989 always work for people so you change 70 00:04:09.989 --> 00:04:13.140 your approach a little bit can you talk 71 00:04:13.140 --> 00:04:18.480 about that a little bit I mean it's not 72 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.100 a 73 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:23.990 that careful questions you know what I 74 00:04:23.990 --> 00:04:26.450 mean like I think this difference 75 00:04:26.450 --> 00:04:29.540 between remember officers and prepare 76 00:04:29.540 --> 00:04:35.210 authors that's totally different like 77 00:04:35.210 --> 00:04:37.520 will you try to remember something it 78 00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:39.260 means you write it down you try to 79 00:04:39.260 --> 00:04:41.150 memorize this you try to remember our 80 00:04:41.150 --> 00:04:43.940 words and if the examiner like said 81 00:04:43.940 --> 00:04:46.279 suddenly interrupt you or like they 82 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.520 leave you to another direction you got 83 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:53.360 lost you prepare for answers means like 84 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.370 okay I have some like you're raising 85 00:04:55.370 --> 00:04:57.920 money in my mind I thought about this 86 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:02.029 question up so when I'm asked I can give 87 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:05.450 an answer that's different yeah that's 88 00:05:05.450 --> 00:05:07.490 interesting I totally agree in that 89 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:09.860 there's something I work a lot on is 90 00:05:09.860 --> 00:05:11.810 about the I think the idea that 91 00:05:11.810 --> 00:05:14.540 preparation is is very important but 92 00:05:14.540 --> 00:05:16.460 it's about building the skill of 93 00:05:16.460 --> 00:05:20.170 flexibility and the ability to respond 94 00:05:20.170 --> 00:05:23.029 rather than just memorizing and reciting 95 00:05:23.029 --> 00:05:26.870 your answers which doesn't always work 96 00:05:26.870 --> 00:05:29.900 in IELTS in fact it often fails quite 97 00:05:29.900 --> 00:05:31.010 badly anions 98 00:05:31.010 --> 00:05:34.460 but that flexibility is key right and 99 00:05:34.460 --> 00:05:37.760 personally I still remember that do you 100 00:05:37.760 --> 00:05:40.820 remember their like during almost first 101 00:05:40.820 --> 00:05:43.130 there were face-to-face classes all 102 00:05:43.130 --> 00:05:45.770 right I remember my homework was to just 103 00:05:45.770 --> 00:05:49.550 to prepare one opportu question I record 104 00:05:49.550 --> 00:05:53.180 it but that record is why you refer as I 105 00:05:53.180 --> 00:05:55.310 prepare for that right probably I read 106 00:05:55.310 --> 00:05:58.190 something down at the beginning but at 107 00:05:58.190 --> 00:06:00.290 the end I just provide about two minutes 108 00:06:00.290 --> 00:06:04.550 answer which means I have those things 109 00:06:04.550 --> 00:06:07.310 in my mind and finally at prison 110 00:06:07.310 --> 00:06:10.700 yeah and it's not like you write 111 00:06:10.700 --> 00:06:14.060 something down you let your really--it 112 00:06:14.060 --> 00:06:16.610 or something yeah yeah I think is 113 00:06:16.610 --> 00:06:18.430 important 114 00:06:18.430 --> 00:06:21.380 absolutely yeah and so you talked about 115 00:06:21.380 --> 00:06:24.560 podcasts which is something we you know 116 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.270 students can do to listen and get 117 00:06:26.270 --> 00:06:29.470 surrounded by language of maybe ideas 118 00:06:29.470 --> 00:06:32.839 what else did you do to get 119 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:34.820 ready for your speaking and to practice 120 00:06:34.820 --> 00:06:41.240 your speaking I think it was important 121 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:49.699 for me was like I try to relax I have a 122 00:06:49.699 --> 00:06:52.910 good mood and to watch different videos 123 00:06:52.910 --> 00:06:58.279 on YouTube like not only just to focus 124 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:58.639 on 125 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.160 I always preparation like that kind of 126 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.389 information also I listened to some 127 00:07:04.389 --> 00:07:08.680 YouTube channels i baby talk about 128 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.500 english in the working environment or 129 00:07:11.500 --> 00:07:16.250 some TV dramas that i am interested in 130 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.700 right just listen to English and you 131 00:07:19.700 --> 00:07:23.600 like I feel this I started to be 132 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.900 interested in this language I have the 133 00:07:26.900 --> 00:07:31.000 motivation to learn it and and we use it 134 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.110 yeah fantastic 135 00:07:33.110 --> 00:07:35.810 and what for you was the biggest 136 00:07:35.810 --> 00:07:38.810 challenge throughout your preparation 137 00:07:38.810 --> 00:07:46.930 time for IELTS challenge was speaking up 138 00:07:46.930 --> 00:07:49.970 only asking about speaking or just 139 00:07:49.970 --> 00:07:53.270 report lazy generally it's about 140 00:07:53.270 --> 00:07:56.330 confident confidence yeah I would say 141 00:07:56.330 --> 00:08:01.910 because I'll have to be more modest or 142 00:08:01.910 --> 00:08:05.330 something like I think I am a good 143 00:08:05.330 --> 00:08:08.000 student actually like I work hard on my 144 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.690 academic study but if you kept failing 145 00:08:11.690 --> 00:08:16.450 at lengthy you study to judge yourself 146 00:08:16.450 --> 00:08:19.820 sometimes I am whether I'm not good 147 00:08:19.820 --> 00:08:22.010 enough or whether I'm stupid or 148 00:08:22.010 --> 00:08:25.099 something like that yeah be careful with 149 00:08:25.099 --> 00:08:25.510 that 150 00:08:25.510 --> 00:08:28.370 yeah the voice isn't your head right 151 00:08:28.370 --> 00:08:34.339 yeah yeah because um well I took hours 152 00:08:34.339 --> 00:08:40.279 for five times this year right times 153 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.990 this year in total and I kept getting 154 00:08:43.990 --> 00:08:45.809 6.5 155 00:08:45.809 --> 00:08:50.340 all right me and you Celestia fun I got7 156 00:08:50.340 --> 00:08:53.550 like finally I pass it but was supported 157 00:08:53.550 --> 00:08:58.520 me along the way it was um I feel okay 158 00:08:58.520 --> 00:09:02.730 there was something wrong but I need to 159 00:09:02.730 --> 00:09:06.059 find a problem I'm not the problem the 160 00:09:06.059 --> 00:09:08.070 problem is the problem and I need to 161 00:09:08.070 --> 00:09:12.150 figure it out what it is and to get it 162 00:09:12.150 --> 00:09:14.940 right like it better is about grandma is 163 00:09:14.940 --> 00:09:17.429 there is about Cavallari is about 164 00:09:17.429 --> 00:09:22.470 cohesion was that find it out practice 165 00:09:22.470 --> 00:09:26.460 yeah wow I love that I love that the 166 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:28.260 problem is the problem that is so 167 00:09:28.260 --> 00:09:30.320 important because the problem is not you 168 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.150 not something you can't change it's just 169 00:09:33.150 --> 00:09:36.029 there something you can approach and 170 00:09:36.029 --> 00:09:38.610 change and handle that's great I like 171 00:09:38.610 --> 00:09:40.350 that can I borrow that quote the problem 172 00:09:40.350 --> 00:09:44.490 is the problem that's great it's nice 173 00:09:44.490 --> 00:09:47.520 and so if again I'm thinking for 174 00:09:47.520 --> 00:09:49.650 students who are studying IELTS and 175 00:09:49.650 --> 00:09:51.600 listening if you could go back in time 176 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.220 is there anything you would do 177 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:56.640 differently or any kind of top tips you 178 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:59.160 would give to students now generally and 179 00:09:59.160 --> 00:10:04.140 for speaking okay generally Alvarez is 180 00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:08.120 that like focus on the exam but not um 181 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.920 like judging yourself not pushing 182 00:10:10.920 --> 00:10:15.120 himself too hard and like we viewed up 183 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.179 for skiers generally hey yeah we don't 184 00:10:18.179 --> 00:10:21.570 throw money one day right so it's a 185 00:10:21.570 --> 00:10:27.300 process and I feel like Alice is like 186 00:10:27.300 --> 00:10:30.958 saying that it's just a part of our life 187 00:10:30.958 --> 00:10:34.260 and like we just need the sport to go 188 00:10:34.260 --> 00:10:38.220 where we want to go but without it our 189 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:42.600 life is feel meaningful yes yes hey else 190 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.720 is not the end of the world right right 191 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:51.020 yeah and though speaking is I um I think 192 00:10:51.020 --> 00:10:56.370 try to speak more because he uses 193 00:10:56.370 --> 00:11:00.000 language more I yeah 194 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:06.270 and do yourself like be myself when else 195 00:11:06.270 --> 00:11:08.610 are in questions don't pretend to be 196 00:11:08.610 --> 00:11:14.100 someone else and yeah yeah helps I I 197 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:16.740 remember when we in the class and we 198 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:18.530 were practicing that when you were 199 00:11:18.530 --> 00:11:23.250 speaking at times kind of giving almost 200 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:25.350 memorized answers and ideas and then 201 00:11:25.350 --> 00:11:28.080 sometimes you shifted and just relaxed 202 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.410 and became yourself the change was huge 203 00:11:31.410 --> 00:11:33.210 you remember we're trying to capture 204 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:35.610 that feeling and take that into the exam 205 00:11:35.610 --> 00:11:39.390 of just being you and just relaxing into 206 00:11:39.390 --> 00:11:41.870 into your into your English if you like 207 00:11:41.870 --> 00:11:48.900 yeah very nice brilliant so listen what 208 00:11:48.900 --> 00:11:51.210 what are the next steps for you now now 209 00:11:51.210 --> 00:11:56.130 that you've got your your band seven I 210 00:11:56.130 --> 00:11:59.880 will get my co sized lunge and then I 211 00:11:59.880 --> 00:12:02.940 applied for PR and at the same time I 212 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:06.059 have to prepare my resume to find a 213 00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:09.530 full-time job I guess yeah fantastic 214 00:12:09.530 --> 00:12:13.530 well that's absolutely brilliant so Hank 215 00:12:13.530 --> 00:12:15.660 thank you very much for coming in and 216 00:12:15.660 --> 00:12:17.580 talking to us again it's been an 217 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:19.500 absolute pleasure and it's been great to 218 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:22.110 hear your success through your 219 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:23.670 challenges and how you've coped with 220 00:12:23.670 --> 00:12:26.010 those I'm sure it's really helpful for 221 00:12:26.010 --> 00:12:28.110 other people to keep motivated as they 222 00:12:28.110 --> 00:12:30.780 study thank you 223 00:12:30.780 --> 00:12:33.179 not all thank you very much we'll stay 224 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:36.679 in touch and I will see you soon 225 00:12:38.790 --> 00:12:43.070 [Music]